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moscow subway by Waldemar-Kazak moscow subway by Waldemar-Kazak
Danger! Pigs around me!
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:iconemil63:
Emil63 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2015
Ofcouse !!
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:iconcrhome:
CRHome Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awsome Picture!
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:iconbrentos8:
brentos8 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Very nice, creative, and I like the composition, bravo!
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ANONYMOUS2467 Featured By Owner May 29, 2014
stop dressing like a prostitute
don't ride the subway

2 important lessons
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:icondunoid:
Dunoid Featured By Owner Edited 5 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
How to not have your car stolen:

1: Stop having a nice car.
2: Don't have a car out in public.

I just realized your comment was eight months old.  Dammit.
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ashxstarwars Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014  New member Hobbyist Artist
women can dress however they want 
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:iconlost-in-equestria:
Lost-in-Equestria Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2014
Stop thinking women are objects. 
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Acid-Vision Featured By Owner May 19, 2014
There must be ALOT of cops in the subway.... :D 
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Hattushilish Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2014
lol...oh wow, very well done social critique. You are a genius, sir.
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2877075 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2013  Student Writer
So true! people can be pigs when the flesh takes over!
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The-Laughing-Lunatic Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
This is a very powerful and unsettling piece of work that would make almost anyone feel threatened. I love how you depicted the other subjects as grotesque pigs, it is very clever and adds to the horror of being stared at so intensely. It was as if they were ready to hound her, to bother her further.

Extremely unsettling and extremely clever, the use of colour, the perspective and depiction of subject matter is really good and adds to the threatening feeling of this piece.

Well done! :D
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:iconlynucs:
lynucs Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Your interpretation of this is really weird since it has to do with her having mind control and power of others that she considers less than herself, in this case pigs.  If more funny how you consider pigs to be grotesque, you really have some deep issues, lol.
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Skofnung Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Your interpretation is the one that is weird.  It's pretty damn obvious that the pigs represent lecherous males.  Why else would it be set on a subway, perhaps the place where molesters are most prolific?  The picture is symbolic of women who are stared at and objectified by "pigs".
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lynucs Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Sigh, you are lost as a bat on this, I will not entertain this 3yo mentality of yours.
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applespank Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2014
It pretty obviously represents dangerous men. It even references danger in the description, and you seemed to have completely overlooked their expressions? And her exposed skin? And the colors? And everything else?

(FYI pigs have been a symbol of threat throughout history. Animal Farm, anyone? Piggies = cops? In Christian symbolism, it represents sloth and greed. Be aware of what you're commenting on before you claim others have a "3yo mentality"...)
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alexiaNBC Featured By Owner Oct 15, 2013
This is what I see on any subway where there are more men than women
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nexss Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013

hahha!g.j

 

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:iconthefoxwithin:
TheFoxWithin Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
Very awesome! I love it!
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:iconphotoshopper-slayer:
Photoshopper-slayer Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
haha epic
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zalamandrax Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Student General Artist
The face of the pig on the top right! You're amazing!
Pretty much the feeling from most of us! Haha
Great work ;)
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Anthro-animals-rule Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013
A important message is found in this piece. I obviously know what it is, so I won't say it here.

Woman, when the train stops. Run! Run for your life! And don't go into any strange buildings. Those buildings could have an elevator that will take you down into the darkness and reveal a huge, monstrous machine! Trust me, I've seen bad things down there!   :scared:  scared.... "the 2nd"  Hold me... I'm scared.
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lynucs Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
So women should run away from other women who are lesbians(pigs)??? What is wrong with you?????
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Archsider Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
great work :)

btw just a few pigs torture females does not mean all males are pigs....just my point of view
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:iconlynucs:
lynucs Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
The pigs are lesbians...why would anyone assume they are men???
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:iconarchsider:
Archsider Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
lol xD
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SeraphimKiss88 Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
I instantly felt extremely uncomfortable, disgusted, and threatened when I looked at this, so I must say... Great job!
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kianen Featured By Owner Jul 14, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree! This is so distressing. Amazing.
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Dunoid Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Respect.  Many people seriously lack it.  It's one thing to see someone attractive and admire their body, but it's an entirely different thing to make someone feel uncomfortable because you lack the decency or intelligence to control yourself.  I'll admit that I look at women, sometimes I even stare at them, but I know when to keep my eyes up and my mouth shut, and people who don't are just... pigs.

THe comments remind me of an argument that I was having with my friend today.  He had thought that car thieves get a lesser sentence if the keys to the car were still in the ignition.  I told him that was ridiculous "it doesn't matter if the keys were right there," I said, "they still stole it."  The same applies to this and, in extreme cases, blaming victims in rapes.  It doesn't matter what the victim was doing or wearing, the rapist knew it was rape, and they lacked the decency to stop.
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:iconprdell:
PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013
That is ultimately true. Insurance company will, however, not pay you or will pay less, because you did not do everything possible to protect yourself or your property.
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:icondunoid:
Dunoid Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I can understand that.  Insurance companies are out to boost profits, not enforce the law.
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:iconprdell:
PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
oink... but you know, somehow I feel this is unfair. When a girl wears something like that, she must want to have the attention.... otherwise I really do not know what does she think
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:iconsynthesin:
Synthesin Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I sincerely hope you're being sarcastic. 
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:iconprdell:
PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Like lynucs said, just realistic. All the arguments summed up bellow, there is no need to repeat myself.
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:iconarchsider:
Archsider Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
indeed
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:iconsynthesin:
Synthesin Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Whilst it's interesting to see another persons opinion. Fortunately, you lack the insight of life as a female in a patriarchal society, but that is out of your control and an unfair point. The realism here is still subjective. However, your argument was concise and mature, so I appreciate that. 
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PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Point taken - the views differ, there is no need to flame over them. But having lived in Australia myself I never thought it would be at the really "bad" spectrum of countries of the world - both in terms of quality of life and gender issues.
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Synthesin Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, I apologize for my previous hot-headedness. Oh man, the country has hit the fan recently. Do you know much of Tony Abbott? He is our current Prime Minister, and christ is he horrible (eg: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeGeoo… .) The worst part is that he heads a party which I'd support under normal circumstances. 
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PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013

Apology taken in all points.

 

I checked the video. Sadly, it was about him, but he did not speak there. I checked some of the other videos where he does speak. What should I say? He is a populist and from a technical standpoint - he is a good speaker. Good because his speaches rouse people from the chair - either because they agree or because they disagree. I have not been following the political development down under for quite a couple of years so I am not in a position to evaluate whether he is right or not about many things he says. As much as I am inclined to believe that his statements about women are more than just old fashioned, I also believe he has the right to speak his opinions just like anyone else. The fact that he is a PM means that there must be people who agree with him. However, I have also a reason to believe that what he says is a well calculated manipulative pose. He knows all to well that it is going to make you gals spinning in the air with fury. And when you do that you unwittingly play the game he wants so bursting out in outrage just plays to his cards.  

My personal experience is that when you rule out 50% of the population, you are robbing yourself and everyone who is with you. Women are the spice of life - sometimes a bit hot, sometimes they make it taste bitter, other times sweet. Thanks god for that, because that means it is not dull. But I guess we are getting quite far from the original discussion. If you wish, we can continue it elsewhere as it may not interest the others here.

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:iconlynucs:
lynucs Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
nope, realistic.
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Synthesin Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
In what universe is victim-blaming realistic? 
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lynucs Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
I guess I should walk through a black neighborhood with a shirt that says I HATE NIGGERS, yeah, I guess I'll be a victim when I'm nearly beaten to death...  Or maybe a German should paint the words I hate Jews on their car and park in a Jewish neighborhood and expect that they won't be victim... Wow, ignorance sure is common these days.  If I don't know how to swim, I'm not going to go jumping into the ocean.  Everything you do has consequences but I guess in your universe there are none.  Sad.
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Synthesin Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So if men wear shorts I'm entitled to smash open their kneecaps because they were "asking for it" by revealing their kneecaps to me? 
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lynucs Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2013  Hobbyist Interface Designer
I've come to the conclusion that you must be a rapist.
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MimiJones Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2013  Student General Artist

If it stopped at staring I'd understand. Hell, I know more than a few girls who genuinely like the attention. But when the staring turns into comments, gropings and assaults, I have a problem.

 

It's like putting merchandise in a window. Some people glance, others press their noses into the glass and look stupid, but no one should smash the window and hightail it with the goods.

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Shiloc Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
For one thing, shorter skirts/lower shirts have become fashionable, (varies location to location though, I'm sure,) and the desire to fit in is a hell of a motivator for the ways in which we present ourselves.
A lot of people simply like how they look in certain outfits. I recently lost a fair amount of weight. I finally feel comfortable enough in my skin to wear short-shorts, or short skirts. I can see my legs in the window of a shop and not think, "Jeez girl, you gotta do something about that." Just because I'm wearing a certain outfit doesn't mean I want the attention.
No one should be upset just because someone thinks they're attractive, and says so.
But if they express interest, and you make it clear you don't return it, that should be the end of the matter. You shouldn't have to feel unsafe in public because you are wearing a short skirt, you shouldn't have to have obscenities tossed at you because you have cleavage.

I do see your point, I know where you're coming from... but most people want to be appear attractive- do you leave the house wearing unflattering clothes? Doesn't necessarily mean you want to be leered at, you just want to look nice.


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PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013

What is the point of being attractive when there is noone to admire you and noone expressing his admiration for your attractiveness?

 

But seriously. I explained myself in greater detail in reply to Ruiku-Sama bellow.

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Ruiku-Sama Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013
Well, that's the point - you don't know what she's thinking, and just because you can't imagine a reason beyond "she must want attention", that doesn't mean there are no other reasons. Maybe because she likes those clothes, or it makes her feel good? Yes, you can't stop people staring at you in public, but assuming the girl wants attention is no reason to then disregard any kind of self control and openly "drool" over her to the extent that it makes her uncomfortable, and then also possibly be annoyed when she complains or rebuffs you. Assumptions are dangerous things. Surely it's just better to always act in the most considerate way possible in public.
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PRdell Featured By Owner Oct 9, 2013

Donīt get me wrong... I keep all obscenities purely to my thoughts.... and most often refrain from them all together since I dislike obscenities anyway. Though, I admit I do like to have a look or two!

 

But the way I see it is as follows - if you want to look attractive, then you also have to accept the fact, that you will be attractive to someone aaaand since every one is different, then the attraction is going to be expressed by many different ways.

 

If I were to draw a similar line it would be something like this: I like to engage in medieval swordfighting. This kind of hobby requires me to wear an awfull lot of heavy protecting gear. If I have it, it might be unconfortable, but it keeps me safe - but it is altogether my choice. It is up to me if I want to feel uncomfortable but safe or comfortable but dead.

 

What I am trying to say is that most things come with built-in side effects. Extravagant cars come with high price and attention of cops on the roads, lots of chocolate comes with lots of body fat and short skirts and skimpy outfits come with lots of attention from guys (wanted or not). It is all too easy to put the blame on the guys when really the main responsibility lies with the one who wears the clothes.

 

 

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Ruiku-Sama Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2013
I understand your viewpoint completely, but I'm afraid that it comes awfully close to expressing sympathy for victim-blaming, for example, at the extreme, in cases of rape, which are often defended in a similar way; "She was asking for it with those skimpy clothes".

I have no objection to the fact that of course wearing skimpy outfits will indeed attract attention - we're all human after all. However, part of being human is also have self-control, because we have highly-developed meta-cognitive and behaviour-monitoring abilities. The main responsibility does *not* lie with the person wearing the clothes. If person 1 chooses not to use their self-control and gawks at the skimpily-clad person 2 in a way that makes person 2 uncomfortable, or approaches person 2 thinking that they are somehow asking for attention with their clothes, that's person 1's choice and their wrongdoing.

You cannot justify intruding on someone else's personal space with your eyes (or limbs) by suggesting that their wearing of skimpy clothes somehow precludes you from using your cognitive faculties and self-control. That's your choice.
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PRdell Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2013

 The topic of self-control is an interesting one. When a shoe store shows brand new shoes for everyone to see, it screams: "Come and get me!"

If a new car appears in autoshow, the only message it displays is: "Forget the old model and come and get me instead."

We live in a society, and economy, that relies on losing selfcontrol - we do not necessarily need a new car every couple of years, we do not need new shoes every couple of months... but if everyone used his or her things till they actually fall apart, then our economies (and society as we know it) would come to an untimely end.

So on one hand, we say that everyone should exercise full self-control, but one the other, we say that in some cases it is alright if you do not control yourself.

Blaming men for staring because the girl has a full right to wear whatever she wishes, is just as one-sided (and short-sighted) view as the one that says that rape victims were asking for it.  BOTH sides influence the outcome of any interaction. Simple argument of: “this should not happen, it is all your fault” is just wrong.

So yes, I agree with you that everyone should exercise some self-control. Those who do not should be aware of possible consequences. Everyone can wear whatever he or she wishes – that is their right. Everybody else has a right to express their opinion about publicly worn clothes of that person too. Be it praise, be it critique, be it an expression of interest and attraction.

I will draw yet another example here. Law protects me wherever I go and whatever I do. Breaking the law is wrong. Period. There is no argument about that. Knowing I am protected I can do  whatever I want and go wherever I wish because nothing can happen to me, right? WRONG! I am not going to walk through certain parts of the city in the middle of the night. I should be able to because the law still protects me. It is definitely a matter of self-control of those who would mug and rob me (and a matter of their choice of dis-respecting the law and my rights) and police will definitely try to investigate in the aftermath, but the main responsibility for my life and my wellbeing still lies with me alone. No one else. Not the system. Not the robbers. Not even the police.

Action always draws a reaction. If you hit me in the face, I will react to it. Even better, I will react to it even before you hit me – that is called “prevention”.

 

You have left out one very important aspect in your example story. Person 2 had to make a decision before she met person 1. She had to decide what to wear, where to go and what to do there. If she decided to wear skimpy clothes, fine, that is her right. She might have reasons for that. The built-in side effect of that is that people are going to react to it. Women might think she is a hooker. Guys might think that she is sexy. She may not realise it, but she is not going to communicate with others on purely rational level, she is going to communicate on the emotional level too. Emotions and rational thinking do not match well and emotions often override the rational. That is a sad fact which caused many people their lives (check what "killing under emotional stress" means). Person 1 on the other hand does not have the benefit of preparation and understanding the rationale behind her decision to wear whatever she wears. Person 1 is just facing a situation and, quite naturally, reacts to it. True, he or she also has rational thinking. He or she should react to it in an acceptable manner but people are not machines. What seems like illogical reaction to you migh make a perfect rational sense to them. That is why people talk to psychologists and not to engineers.

If I put myself in the situation it might be something like this: Rationally, I know I am going to attend a pyjamas party. So I get out of my house wearing my brand new pink pyjamas with small cute teddy bears. I love it, so I feel particularly proud of it. I get on the subway and suddenly I realise that people stare at me. One young girl even says to her boyfriend something about "nuts". An elderly lady frowns and obviously thinks that young people have no respect for others anymore. The last thing she wants to see is a man of 6 feet and 95 kg wearing pink pyjamas with lovely teddy bears. A group of school kids in the corner laugh openly looking at me. How do I feel? Bad. Very bad. What is wrong with those people! I have the right to wear whatever I want! I am dressed so what is their problem? I even have a rational reason for wearing my favourite pyjamas! They limit my rights by commenting on me! They invade my privacy! Oh no! They are wrong! NOT ME!

I hope you see the parallel here.

The bottom line is: do whatever you want but use your brain at the same time and stop blaming the others if they react to what you do and you just happen not to like their reaction. As long as they stay within the limits set by law they merely exercise their rights. If they do something illegal, protect yourself and know there is a system that should seek them out and punish them. But also know that the system is only going to punish something that should not have been done. It will not undo it.

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